jsalmont
2009-04-25 11:56:27
I just spent the last 4 hours reading up on the forums and I'm about to lose it and join a Luddite monastery.
I have:
Ableton Live 7
MPD24 firmware 1.10
Both Bomes trials (will buy whichever I need for this)
Midi Yoke
I use all this for DJing.
I want to do something seemingly simple: setup controls for managing BPM so that I can mix into a song another DJ is playing (without clock sync).
In Ableton, and on the mpd I want to be able to TAP the bpm to a track another DJ is playing to set an approximate bmp, then tweak with either bpm (coarse) or bpm (fine) xxx.xx. And also be able to nudge.
Issue1:
When I TAP something in, then touch the bmp (coarse) knob, the value introduced reacts like a fixed knob, making an abrupt jump to whatever the bmp was before I tapped. I tried changing to the various absolute/relative knob settings in the status bar in ableton but it seems none of these work. I read that the MPD24s knobs are actually not incremental, which doesn't make any sense to me, but then that's what Bomes is for potentially.
Issue2:
Specifically for fine tuning after tapping, the bpm (fine) knob is essential. At the moment, it seems to behave like a fixed knob. After I tap and a bmp appears in live, if I then choose to adjust the bpm with the fine knob it only allows for and increase in bpm (as if it were set to 0 of 0-127). And I don't think I can set the mpd24 to start in the middle ie 64.
Issue3
Nudge doesn't seem to work. I need to have a note on, note off message set to two transport keys on the mpd24. Oddly enough, at some point I was seeing this, multiple midi messages coming from the mpd24 when I capture midi in bomes MT classic. When I chose one of the messages with "pp" (I think) I was able to hit a transport key to PLAY (start play) and as long as I held it it played. On release it would stop. I imagine this would work for nudge. For some reason it is now a single midi note-on message only. No idea why. Therefore since nudge only works when you hold down a button for a specified time and release, I can't use that either.
So at this point managing bpm is very unintuitive. Since I'm going for a mouseless setup, I'm off to a really bad start.
I'm not sure the MPD24 can be used for mouseless operation in live anymore. But maybe with Bomes it can. I have a handful of friends with the same prob. No one knows what to do.
Any help much appreciated. I realize this is a lot to ask. If you tell me which application I need to pull something off that works well I can buy it before you advise me on how to program all of this in.
Quick overview:
I want to setup:
knob for coarse bmp adjustment +1/-1
knob for fine bmp adjustment +1/-1
transport button "<<" for nudge down note-on/note-off
transport button ">>" for nudge up note-on/note-off
Tags:
endless limitless knobs knob encoders encoder pot pots ableton live 7 mpd24 +1 -1 increment incremental automap automapper macro
ps: I have found a parameter change for the transport which changes from MMC to CTRL on the mpd edit screen.
I have:
Ableton Live 7
MPD24 firmware 1.10
Both Bomes trials (will buy whichever I need for this)
Midi Yoke
I use all this for DJing.
I want to do something seemingly simple: setup controls for managing BPM so that I can mix into a song another DJ is playing (without clock sync).
In Ableton, and on the mpd I want to be able to TAP the bpm to a track another DJ is playing to set an approximate bmp, then tweak with either bpm (coarse) or bpm (fine) xxx.xx. And also be able to nudge.
Issue1:
When I TAP something in, then touch the bmp (coarse) knob, the value introduced reacts like a fixed knob, making an abrupt jump to whatever the bmp was before I tapped. I tried changing to the various absolute/relative knob settings in the status bar in ableton but it seems none of these work. I read that the MPD24s knobs are actually not incremental, which doesn't make any sense to me, but then that's what Bomes is for potentially.
Issue2:
Specifically for fine tuning after tapping, the bpm (fine) knob is essential. At the moment, it seems to behave like a fixed knob. After I tap and a bmp appears in live, if I then choose to adjust the bpm with the fine knob it only allows for and increase in bpm (as if it were set to 0 of 0-127). And I don't think I can set the mpd24 to start in the middle ie 64.
Issue3
Nudge doesn't seem to work. I need to have a note on, note off message set to two transport keys on the mpd24. Oddly enough, at some point I was seeing this, multiple midi messages coming from the mpd24 when I capture midi in bomes MT classic. When I chose one of the messages with "pp" (I think) I was able to hit a transport key to PLAY (start play) and as long as I held it it played. On release it would stop. I imagine this would work for nudge. For some reason it is now a single midi note-on message only. No idea why. Therefore since nudge only works when you hold down a button for a specified time and release, I can't use that either.
So at this point managing bpm is very unintuitive. Since I'm going for a mouseless setup, I'm off to a really bad start.
I'm not sure the MPD24 can be used for mouseless operation in live anymore. But maybe with Bomes it can. I have a handful of friends with the same prob. No one knows what to do.
Any help much appreciated. I realize this is a lot to ask. If you tell me which application I need to pull something off that works well I can buy it before you advise me on how to program all of this in.
Quick overview:
I want to setup:
knob for coarse bmp adjustment +1/-1
knob for fine bmp adjustment +1/-1
transport button "<<" for nudge down note-on/note-off
transport button ">>" for nudge up note-on/note-off
Tags:
endless limitless knobs knob encoders encoder pot pots ableton live 7 mpd24 +1 -1 increment incremental automap automapper macro
ps: I have found a parameter change for the transport which changes from MMC to CTRL on the mpd edit screen.