Totalmix FX, Bome and LoopMidi Problem

mauronedj

2014-04-07 19:46:56

Hi,
I have a problem with this configuration, I can't make this work!
All work really well the first time I've set it up but when I restarted the PC it seem to just not work anymore!
All the settings are the same, the LoopMidi port is working (tested with Live) but TMFX just does not work!
Any info?
There is a screenshot of all the settings in the image below, I've a dual screen monitor so you can see all at once.
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DvlsAdvct

2014-04-07 20:55:41

Hi mauronedj

Can you possibly upload a hi-res image of just one screen? Or upload the MT project file so I can see what's going on? Can you also confirm that MIDI Translator is still sending MIDI by watching the Log Window and the Event Monitor? We need to figure out which application is holding things up.

Also, please try to use the Virtual MIDI ports provided by MIDI Translator instead of LoopBE?

mauronedj

2014-04-08 00:50:55

Hi, thanks for the reply, I'll do all tomorrow so you could see better, thanks for your time,
Mauro.

mauronedj

2014-04-08 13:59:35

Screenshots of the Bome and totalmix configuration here:
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mauronedj

2014-04-08 13:59:53

And the patch here:
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Totalmix.bmtp
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mauronedj

2014-04-08 14:02:42

The meter on Bome's work as expected, if I use Live to try the Midi Port is working really well but does not in Totalmix.
I made it work some day ago (again) but then, after a reboot, this does not work again.
I don't know what's the problem here, it seem that work randomly after tweaking some things, but after the rebook nothings works again!

DvlsAdvct

2014-04-08 17:48:46

Are you using the same virtual MIDI port for both Totalmix and Ableton?

mauronedj

2014-04-08 20:32:33

DvlsAdvct wrote:Are you using the same virtual MIDI port for both Totalmix and Ableton?
Sure :)

DvlsAdvct

2014-04-08 20:35:44

Alright, try using Virtual Port 1 for Ableton and Virtual Port 2 for Totalmix. Let me know if that works.

mauronedj

2014-04-08 20:44:19

DvlsAdvct wrote:Alright, try using Virtual Port 1 for Ableton and Virtual Port 2 for Totalmix. Let me know if that works.
If it's a compatibility problem it's not a problem cause I don't start Live after a power up and this patch does not work from the start!
(sorry for my little english :P )

DvlsAdvct

2014-04-08 20:45:51

I think the problem is that you are using the same virtual port for two applications and they are getting confused. Since Ableton is working with MT I would recommend just changing the port you use for Totalmix.

mauronedj

2014-04-08 20:47:57

I get the point, so I need to create another midi port in Bome and use the second to send midi to Totalmix?
And what's the point if I don't start Live and the midi port does not work?
Anyway I'll try it tomorrow,
Thanks for your help :)

DvlsAdvct

2014-04-08 20:48:56

Is Totalmix not working whether or not you open Ableton?

mauronedj

2014-04-08 20:52:43

DvlsAdvct wrote:Is Totalmix not working whether or not you open Ableton?
Exactly, so I think ableton is not the problem.

Is there any other thing i might tell you to better understand my configuration?

DvlsAdvct

2014-04-08 21:17:10

I think I understand it, I'm just trying to figure out where the holes lie, y'know? I'd still say try the two different MIDI ports to be sure, and make sure everything is being sent to Totalmix correctly. For example, all of the velocities of your MIDI messages are 00, which is usually an Off message for software, so you may be better off switching them to 7F.

mauronedj

2014-04-09 01:19:16

The manual of the totalmix says 00 for the velocity (and if it work at least one time it wont be the problem for sure..)

I'll try this tomorrow in the studio and iI'll report back here,
Thanks for your help,
Mauro.

mauronedj

2014-04-09 13:24:36

Ok, tried to do all the suggestion but nothing seem to work!

I can see that all the midi port used for testing are working but Totalmix seem to not respond.

When I use my Mackie Control Pro this to control totalmix it work as expected so I think it's not a Totalmix problem.

Also I could see that if I send midi From totalmix to Bome all work well (totalmix send the Meter Value out with midi).

I think that maybe there is something wrong in my patch, I attach the totalmix midi reference from the manual here so you could maybe investigate more with that:
http://www.rme-audio.de/download/fface_uc_e.pdf (it's in the page 75)

The hardware output set up as Main Out can be controlled by the standard Control Change Volume via MIDI channel 1. With this, the main volume of the Fireface UC is controllable from nearly any MIDI equipped hardware device.
Even if you don't want to control all faders and pans, some buttons are highly desirable to be available in 'hardware'. These are mainly the Talkback and the Dim button, and the monitoring options (listen to Phones submixes). Fortunately a Mackie Control compatible controller is not required to control these buttons, as they are steered by simple Note On/Off commands on MIDI channel 1.
The notes are (hex / decimal / keys):
Dim: 5D / 93 / A 6 Mono: 2A / 42 / #F 2 Talkback: 5E / 94 / #A 6 Recall: 5F / 95 / H 6 Speaker B: 32 / 50 / D3
Cue Main Out: 3E / 62 / D 4 Cue Phones 1: 3F / 63 / #D 4 Cue Phones 2: 40 / 64 / E 4 Cue Phones 3: 41 / 65 / F 4 Cue Phones 4: 42 / 66 / #F 4
Snapshot 1: 36 / 54 / #F 3 Snapshot 2: 37 / 55 / G 3 Snapshot 3: 38 / 56 / #G 3 Snapshot 4: 39 / 57 / A 3 Snapshot 5: 3A / 58 / #A 3 Snapshot 6: 3B / 59 / B 3 Snapshot 7: 3C / 60 / C 4 Snapshot 8: 3D / 61 / #C 4
Trim Gains: 2D / 45 / A 2 Master Mute: 2C / 44 / #G2 Master Solo: 2B / 43 / G2
Furthermore all faders of all three rows can be controlled via simple Control Change com- mands. The format for the Control Change commands is:
Bx yy zz
x = MIDI channel
yy = control number zz = value
The first row in TotalMix is addressed by MIDI channels 1 up to 4, the middle row by channels 5 up to 8 and the bottom row by channels 9 up to 12.
16 Controller numbers are used: 102 up to 117 (= hex 66 to 75). With these 16 Controllers (= faders) and 4 MIDI channels each per row, up to 64 faders can be controlled per row (as re- quired by the HDSPe MADI).
User's Guide Fireface UC © RME
75
Examples for sending MIDI strings:
- Set input 1 to 0 dB: B0 66 68
- Set input 5 to maximum attenuation: B1 6A 0 - Set playback 1 to maximum: B4 66 7F
- Set Output 3 to 0 dB: B8 68 68
Note: Sending MIDI strings requires to use programmer's logic for the MIDI channel, starting with 0 for channel 1 and ending with 15 for channel 16.
Further functions:
- Trim Gains On: BC 66 xx (BC = MIDI channel 13, xx = any value) - Trim Gains Off: BC 66 xx or select a submix
Select submix (fader) in third row: - channel 1/2: BC 68/69 xx
- channel 3/4: BC 6A/6B xx
etc.
Input Gain control is available via CC9, value range as the gain itself (up to 65). The MIDI channel determines the controlled channel, from 1 to 16 (UC: only 1/2). For this to work, Enable MIDI Control in the Options menu has to be activated.

DvlsAdvct

2014-04-09 19:14:14

I'm looking at your project you attached, and the MIDI spec and I think you are using the wrong messages.

For example, Talkback Listen On should be 90 5E 7F for On and 90 5E 00 for off. You have both of these listed as 2c 00. All of your outgoing messages in the patch are 00 and I don't think that is going to do what you want.

As far as connecting to Totalmix, I really can't find anything specific in the manual as to driver connections. If it's not receiving MIDI from the virtual ports, which are sending MIDI to it, then you may want to contact Totalmix and see if there is some setting you have to select for it to receive MIDI and not Mackie HUI.

As far as the patch you uploaded, the only thing I can think of is the outgoing actions are all 00 and not 7F.

Sorry
J

mauronedj

2014-04-09 19:20:26

I've already tried to do that but sadly it's the same of the 00 for velocity.

I will discuss this with RME support, if you have other idea to make it work you're welcome.
Again thanks for your time,
Cheers,
Mauro.