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MIDI Translator for Mac?

Postby florian » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:47 am

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Update 06/2008:
Finally! The first public beta is available here. Please check it out and report your findings.
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Update 04/2008:
The first public pre-release version is close to completion. Once it's out we'll send an email to subscribers of the announcement list.
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Update:
We've had so many donations (actually, pre-registrations) that we started development of the Mac version. So donating isn't necessary anymore.
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More and more people are requesting Midi Translator for Mac OSX. I have opened a "donation" box - the best way for you to show me your real interest. Any amount you donate will be deducted from the purchase price of MT for Mac.

I hope to start on the port beginning next year.
Donations (how much you want):
http://www.bome.com/pay/?subject=Mac+Port+of+MT

There already exists a small utility for Mac called MidiStroke which is supposed to do MIDI to key translation.

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Postby mocker » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:08 pm

Florian, what are you up to, concerning MT 's Mac port ?
If you decide not to do it (midiStroke), please let us know ASAP, (plus I may want to get my 25 € back ! :-) ). Cheers
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Postby florian » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:44 pm

no, I'm still up for it. Sorry it's taking such a long time. I'm pretty much decided on getting one of the new dual core Mac minis.

I also think that I could start with a Java version. This would work on many systems. But it would be slightly harder to set up.

Please keep reminding me if it takes too long!
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Postby mocker » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:22 pm

OK fine. But I would definitely not go for a Java version. Slow and when it comes to dealing with midi, rather instable. I really think you should make a real Mac version. I'm sure as soon as you fool around with Mac OSX you'll come to that conclusion. :-)
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Postby florian » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:40 am

I won't abandon the plan for a native Mac version. But I happen to be a very fast programmer with Java Sound, so it would be for a fast solution.

...and maybe I can prove you wrong about your impression of Java :)

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Postby florian » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:45 pm

just a quick status message: I've finalized the plan for a Mac port, and I'll work on it from September on.

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Postby mocker » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:14 pm

Hi Florian, so we're in October... What's up ? can't wait. :-)
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Postby florian » Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:45 pm

OK, we're in November by now... anyway, I've got a Mac, and development has already started a week ago. I estimate a couple of months before a first pre-release, but I'll keep you updated.

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Postby mocker » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:08 pm

Thanks for the news. How do you like your Mac ? :-)
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Postby florian » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:18 am

the Mac is nice! everything worked right out of the box...
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Postby rishi » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:47 am

I recently bought a mac too and was wondering what I was going to do without MT on my Mac, so this is great news!!!
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Postby robin » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:07 am

This is fantastic news (Translator for MacOSX). Is it likely to be a universal or intel only binary?

I've just been using midistroke and while it's doing the job it isn't the most stable software.
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Postby mocker » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:56 am

robin wrote:This is fantastic news (Translator for MacOSX). Is it likely to be a universal or intel only binary?

I've just been using midistroke and while it's doing the job it isn't the most stable software.


Plus it has become impossible to get any answer from midiStroke's creator... Seems he just vanished...
So we need MT badly !
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Postby admin » Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:09 am

Glad to hear there is growing interest...
It's gonna be a universal binary, though currently I won't be able to test on PowerPC. Let's see, if I need to I can always get a second hand mac mini.

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Postby robin » Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:41 am

mocker wrote:Plus it has become impossible to get any answer from midiStroke's creator... Seems he just vanished...
So we need MT badly !


In fairness Charlie (Roberts, the creator of midiStroke) got back to me within a few hours after I posted a problem on Sunday (I posted on the Ableton forum and on the controlAid forum). I think he's working on a new rolled together version of controlAid and midiStroke (which he'll charge for)

I don't care what I use as long as it works (though on the Live forums MIDI Translator is the thing to use for the PC using folk).

It appears (I need to read more) that I can do more complex mappings with keystrokes (like if a controller number is going up I can map that to one key, going down another).

Anyway....enough waffling I'm looking forward to the Mac version. Nice one Florian.
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Postby mocker » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:23 am

Ready for Xmas ?? As a gift ? :-)
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Postby florian » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:30 pm

not ready for christmas, but the port is making progress. The core foundation is almost complete, and parts of the GUI. After that comes MIDI functionality and remaining GUI stuff.

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Postby robin » Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:28 pm

florian wrote:not ready for christmas, but the port is making progress. The core foundation is almost complete, and parts of the GUI. After that comes MIDI functionality and remaining GUI stuff.


That's good news :)
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Postby HoldingPatterns » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:24 am

Florian: we need the OSX port! We're dyin here!!!!

Just kidding, but MidiStroke, the program i'm using now, is INCREDIBLY unstable and buggy (not to mention it's a PPC application). Desperately awaiting the new midi translator.... I can't take my Ableton Live rig to perform live until it's done!

-Mike

ps: tossed a few euros your way a few months ago, so glad to see you've been workin' on it. we need ya!
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Postby mocker » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:26 pm

You can use MidiPipe while waiting. It's a great tool that supports Apple scripting so it's easy to convert notes into keytrokes. Of course a little more complcated than midiStroke or Bome (I suppose) but worth trying. Use the script examples provided to make your own pipes. AND it's UB and very stable.
Sorry Florian, but hurry up, you've got a real competitor here.. :-)
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Postby HoldingPatterns » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:18 am

Hi Mocker:

thanks for the response! I actually have the program installed, but have no idea how to do the correct applescript (i'm not a programmer). all I need is to have a noteon message (channel 8, note 29) trigger the key stroke Apple-Z (capitalized). can you possibly point me in the right direction? I can't find a good example...

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Postby mocker » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:59 am

Sorry guys, it'll be the last time, just trying to teach HoldingPatterns how to wait for Bome MT for Mac ! :-)

First I guess you want to undo, right ? Then the "z" doesn't have to be capitalized.
Create a pipe with :

- midi in (choose your Audio interface)
- AppleScript Trigger, inside paste all that follows (until "end runme")
- midi out (choose MidiPipe Output 1)

PASTE FROM HERE
-- convert midi notes into keystrokes, created by dbudde, modified by Drastic
property channel : 8
on runme(message)
tell application "System Events"
tell process "Live"
end tell

-- Cancel (note = 29)
if (item 1 of message = (143 + channel) and (item 2 of message = 29) and (item 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live"
keystroke "z" using command down
end tell

end tell
end runme
TO HERE

Then in Ableton Live 's prefs click the MidiPipe's output's Sync ON (and track ON too if you need to add further keystrokes or messages to a plugin for instance).
I'm not sure about "property channel : 8"
If it doesn't work, erase "property channel : 8" and try : "144" (no brackets) instead of "(143 + channel)" but then you won't have the channel specified. It works in my case without that property.

Hope that helps.
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Postby HoldingPatterns » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:17 am

Hi mocker:

thanks again for the help (and sorry to be involved in a breaking of rules!). unfortunately no dice... i couldn't get it to work with either method...

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Postby mocker » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:02 pm

Again, try without specifyig the channel . It DOES work everyday for me.
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Postby HoldingPatterns » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:44 pm

Hey mocker:

Yes, Without specifying the channel was one of the 2 methods I was referring to. I might be doing something wrong, but it's not that. No ideas here as I believe I followed every one of your steps. Regardless, thanks for the attempt.

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Postby mocker » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:18 am

Which midi controller are you using ? Is it sending notes ? Are you sure you're trigering note 29 ? Check it out. Refer to the Live Control example pipe it's in the MP folder after installation. That's where I picked up my (very light) knowledge...
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Postby HoldingPatterns » Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:04 am

Hi:

I will check out the additional info.

I use a FCB1010. It's sending info to Max/MSP which I am changing to trigger note 29 on channel 8. I'm sure this works, as MidiStroke works about 75% of the time 100% correctly.
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Postby mocker » Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:16 pm

HoldingPatterns wrote:Hi:

I will check out the additional info.

I use a FCB1010. It's sending info to Max/MSP which I am changing to trigger note 29 on channel 8. I'm sure this works, as MidiStroke works about 75% of the time 100% correctly.


:D

Try just the FCB 1010 sending the note to Live through MidiPipe, to be sure.
Also try checking/unchecking "pass through" in your AppleScript trigger (bottom left of the window).
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Postby florian » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:34 am

Yes, I have seen MidiPipe in action, and I've contacted the author of it a year ago if he was interested in collaboration for porting MT to Mac. But unfortunately, he was too busy.

I don't mind competition, that's the best guarantee that you, the users, will get the best software 8)

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Postby mocker » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:54 am

Thanks Florian, it was just a joke anyway. I find MIdiPipe very powerful but don't have time to become an AppleScript programmer evrytime I want to send a midi command... It's fun, but extremely time-consuming...; and the music feels left alone :-)
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Postby mocker » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:24 am

Hey HoldingPatterns, I know why it couldn't work ! Because 144 means "note on" on channel 1 ! If you want to do exactly what you need go to :

http://www.midi.org/about-midi/table2.shtml

For instance a "note on" on channel 8 is 151
143 is a note off on channel 16 ! So it couldn't work...
Check it out and let me know. Also check out :

http://www.snoize.com/MIDIMonitor/

Very handy for what we're doing.
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Postby HoldingPatterns » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:21 pm

Hey Mocker:

It worked! It was either that #151 thing, or, alternatively, I noticed that a parenthesis was missing in your original code, which coulda screwed something up.

thanks for the help!
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Postby mocker » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:32 am

You're welcome. Glad it works.
I'm trying the trikiest shorcuts in Ableton with SooperLooper, MidiPipe and the help of iKey (a macro editor) and everything I try works ! It's a lot of fun. :-) My foot controller is gonna take fire.
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Postby dorsch » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:39 pm

Gibts was Neues bezüglich Translator für den MAC?
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Postby dorsch » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:08 pm

...
Well then in english:
Munich calling: "What´s up with the translater .app
for mac os?
"
It´s a fine programm ...
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Postby florian » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:46 pm

München hört! MT for Mac is coming. I've hired someone to exclusively do the Mac port. But, it's quite some work -- some things are extremely different on Windows and on Mac, so a lot of stuff has to be re-programmed. And it should be a "real" port, not a weak attempt...

Stay tuned - I'm not a big fan of disclosing schedules, but it will take at least 2 more months for a first public beta.

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Postby dorsch » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:09 am

That´s great news. Thanks
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Question

Postby jplarue » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:34 pm

Hi Florian,

I have a question regarding the future mac version, but I guess I would be curious to know about the PC version aswell...

here we go,

Would MT convert a midi clock 'continue' message send by Logic 7 into a midi clock 'start' message to my usb midi interface ???
the reason is I need to translate 'continue' clock message into 'start' for my 808 and 202 (through a Kms 30 midi sync24 converter)to sync with Logic from the middle of a song. they start ok and sync when I start Logic from the very first bar in the arrange but not if I start from anywhere else....

Would MT do that for me ??? If not, could you add this to it ??????

Any suggestion would be much appreciated

Cheers and have a nice day !

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Postby florian » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:35 pm

Hi Jp,

yes, it's very easy to let MT do this translation: just add a translator entry like this:

Code: Select all
Translator 1: MTC Continue to MTC Start
Options: stop=true
Incoming: MIDI FB
Outgoing: MIDI FA


FB is the hexadecimal code for "Continue", and FA is the hex code for "Start".

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Postby mooncaine » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:54 am

I'm also looking forward to Bome's MT for OSX. I heard about it today.

Those of you who are trying to do the Kid Beyond thing with Ableton Live should know about this thread, where we learn that we can trick Live into thinking it has a Mackie Control Board attached. Doing so gives us the power to move from cell to cell, and start and stop clips, plus more, using a wide range of MIDI controllers. I tested and used an FCB1010 and it does everything I have dreamed up so far with Ableton Live. You can even assign a MIDI command to trigger Undo, but I haven't explicitly tested Undo yet.

See this thread:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 7&start=75

The first page is essential, and so are the last 2, but if you really want to know the whole story, read the whole thread. I think that about covers it.
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Postby mocker » Sat May 05, 2007 4:16 pm

It's been a while since Feb 8 ! So how's the Mac port going ? Hope it's not too hard… Thanx
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Postby florian » Mon May 07, 2007 2:21 pm

It's coming along. MIDI is debugged. Still pending is the user interface.

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Postby mocker » Mon May 21, 2007 9:47 pm

Good ! Thanks, glad to know it's on the way.
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Postby mocker » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:40 pm

One more month… Everything OK ?
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Postby florian » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:25 am

yes, we're actively working on it. I'm sorry for the long wait, but unfortunately we do have to do other stuff, too, in the office.

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Postby robin » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:38 am

florian wrote:yes, we're actively working on it. I'm sorry for the long wait, but unfortunately we do have to do other stuff, too, in the office.

Regards,
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It takes as long as it takes (I work as a programmer when not doing music).

Needless to say I'm still very much looking forward to this (as are quite a few other Ableton using folk).
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Postby mocker » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:06 am

And another month… Any news ? Thanks.
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Postby florian » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:36 pm

unfortunately not. I have hired a service company to implement Keystroke emulation, but they are slow these days.

Sorry...

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Postby mocker » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:59 pm

Sorry Florian, I had faith but I'm loosing it. I think the Mac port seems to look like a big joke. You know, what they call vaporware… I'm surprised there isn't even some beta version for us mac users to test after more tthan one year. I remind you I paid 25€ just to start the process, so I think I deserve AT LEAST more information. Thanks
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Postby florian » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:12 pm

Hi Mocker,

I don't blame you, I can understand your frustration. Things haven't been as smooth as I hoped.

I am determined to bring out the Mac version asap, but unless I have all components together I cannot even provide a beta version.

The port to Mac was not only "recompiling", but we chose a more thorough path. The following steps are completed:

1) convert the core translation engine from Delphi to portable C++ (Delphi is like Pascal, and doesn't work on Mac). This step alone consisted converting 10000+ lines of code

2) convert the MIDI engine to C++

3) create a GUI skeleton

The remaining steps are:

4) convert Key emulation engine to C++, including timers. This step was started on Monday, after months of delay from the service provider, because of problems with their personnel.

5) Put everything together
I hope that this step won't take long afterwards, leading to the first public beta.

I hope this is giving you a better idea about the progress, and hopefully convinces you that we're trying to do much more than vaporware.

I'll gladly answer any other questions.

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Postby mocker » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:49 pm

Thanks a lot for your detailed answer. Sorry if I sounded a bit rough, I'm glad you seem to understand why. OK then, let's cross fingers and hope that "service provider" you mentionned finally wakes up…
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Postby florian » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:08 pm

Hi Mocker,

yes, the "service provider" is a consulting agency providing programming services.

My business partner and I just discussed for quite a while how to best do the GUI for MT on Mac. We're currently leaning toward a truly multi-platform solution, which means that even a Linux version isn't out of scope. Of course we're also looking to minimize the time to market.

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Postby timothyallan » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:50 am

This is good news!

MT Pro is the only reason why I haven't migrated 100% to Mac for my music stuff... MT is an absolutely vital part of my live/dj set!
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Postby ominik » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:21 pm

How is it coming, I'm on the edge of my seat for this one! Hope it comes soon...
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Postby florian » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:16 pm

we're working on it. The keystroke component will be finished soon. The user interface is the last piece - putting it all together.

My partner is working now 100% on this, so let's hope the first public beta is ready in the next 1-2 months.

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Postby ominik » Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:05 pm

Thanks for the update Florian and thx for making this a priority. I look forward to beta testing.
All good things in all good time...
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Postby rishi » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:48 am

Excellent.... been waiting for this. Looks like plenty of others have too!!
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Postby ominik » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:31 am

I keep coming back here just hoping! What's that beautiful saying....all good things in all good time. Just a friendly reminder that we can't wait!
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Postby timothyallan » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:13 am

I've been trying to replace my Bomes script in OS X using Bidule or MidiPipe, each time I get about 85% there and then hit a roadblock. It's just not as easy as Bomes!
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Postby Adman_Rob » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:31 pm

Any news on the Mac version?

Looking to translate some of the MIDI data from my BitStream 3X to to keystrokes. I was using MIDIStroke, but it is not Intel Native so it of no use to me now as I've moved all my Macs to Intel.
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Postby florian » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:56 am

Hi,

a small update: OS X development is progressing. We need to re-program the entire GUI (user interface) code, so it's quite some work. As soon as something is usable, we'll publish it as a public beta version.

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Postby mocker » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:03 pm

Hi, it's been one month and a half since last "update". Anything coming ? Can we really hope for a Mac port ?

Reminder : first donations (including mine) were made September 2005 !

Happy New Year though…
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Postby florian » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:28 am

Hi Mocker,

yes, it's a looong time. Just before christmas we've had the first translators working from the GUI. We've finalized the feature set of the first Mac version, which will be quite equivalent to the Classic version on Windows. From then on, new features will follow until the Mac version will have caught up with Windows. Then, the Mac version will become the Windows version, and all future versions will just be the same on Mac and Windows. And the good thing about this complete rewrite of MT is that it will be a snap to port to even other platforms like Linux...

Happy New Year to you, too! And, thanks for keeping the faith!
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Postby mocker » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:05 am

Thanks for the details. Happy to know it's still alive !
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Postby MikeTee » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:04 am

Any news on when it's going to be released? :)
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Postby florian » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:54 pm

Hi MikeTee,

we've had feature freeze for the Mac version and we need to debug some things now (e.g. being able to emulate all keystrokes, even command, Ctrl, etc.). As soon as we've sorted out such things we'll release a preview version for you to try.

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Postby dannstockton » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:34 pm

I would love to be a part of the preview version. I am itching to buy MIDI translator for mac. I hope this gets done soon! Best of Luck.
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Postby florian » Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:38 am

sure, just subscribe to MT's announcement list or subscribe to this thread (where we'll post for sure when the first version for Mac is available).

We're currently sorting out some last cosmetic changes, so the first public preview is pretty close.

Thanks everybody for bearing with us...

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Postby MikeTee » Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:40 am

Just checking on the progress of the mac version. It's been awhile.
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Postby florian » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:19 pm

yes, although some may have given up hope, we're actually sorting out the last issues before the first pre-release alpha version of MT Pro for Mac. Stay tuned!

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Postby rishi » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:57 am

still hangin' in there :wink:
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Postby 7G » Mon May 12, 2008 7:18 pm

Hi Florian,
Just subscribed to your list but didn't get any confirmation mail... :(
I own a desktop PC and a Mac lappy and MT PRO is the essential link between the training in my PC and Live performances in my Mac...
That thing you do would make things alote easier for many of us...

Keep it up! :D
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Postby 7G » Tue May 13, 2008 7:56 pm

Thanx :)
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Postby florian » Tue May 13, 2008 8:19 pm

Hi 7G,

I can confirm that you're signed up to the announcement list. We're currently sorting out the last bits for the first pre-release of MT/OSX. It's hard to believe how long all this took!

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Postby 7G » Wed May 14, 2008 1:14 pm

Hang in there Florian,
We're with you.... :D
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Postby florian » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:44 pm

Finally! The first public beta is available here. Please check it out and report your findings.

Thanks for waiting such a long time!

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Postby rishi » Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:01 am

yeah baby!!!! :D :D :D
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Postby 7G » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:33 am

It's such an honor cause after my post Florian announced the Mac version....hehehe :D :D :lol:
Bring up the champagne...
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Postby dannstockton » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:27 pm

Woo! I cannot WAIT to play around with this. Thanks a lot Florian! I am sure this will be worth the wait.
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Postby rishi » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:58 am

OK so, I installed the MAC version without any problems. All 4 of my controllers appeared in the MIDI settings plus 2x Bomes MIDI translator yokes on the MIDI OUT. I also, loaded my PC presets into the MAC version and tested 40 something translators that all worked with my Ableton Live DJ template straight out of the box. The translators included MIDI to MIDI, MIDI to Keystroke, with and without Rules.

Some things I did notice
1. PC imported translators with an arrow key in the keystroke output came across with a long number instead of the arrow keystroke. (eg: W657x3623s). They still worked, but they just showed the number instead of the words Left or Right. I changed each of these manually
2. In the PC version under Options Settings, there is Supress outgoing keystroke when active. This option is not present in the MAC OS version.
3. The virtual MIDI ports Bomes Midi Translator 1 & 2 worked without hitch appearing in my Ableton Live preferences
4. I notice checkboxes for multiple MIDI IN’s however, I was only able to select one MIDI IN at a time. Perhaps this is a limitation of the beta version?
5. In general, the typeface appeared somewhat small and not as clear (lo res?) as other MAC fonts.
6. However, I love the edit translator interface, especially how it opens in one page with all sections viewable at once.

All in all, soooooperb!!!
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Postby ruediger » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:16 pm

Hi,

many thanks for your report!

>>1. PC imported translators with an arrow key in the keystroke output >>came across with a long number instead of the arrow keystroke. (eg: >>W657x3623s). They still worked, but they just showed the number >>instead of the words Left or Right. I changed each of these manually

MAC OS Virtual Key system completely differs from the one in Windows. We worka on that.

>>2. In the PC version under Options Settings, there is Supress outgoing >>keystroke when active. This option is not present in the MAC OS >>version.

Thanks for that hint.

>>3. The virtual MIDI ports Bomes Midi Translator 1 & 2 worked without >>hitch appearing in my Ableton Live preferences

Perfect.

>>4. I notice checkboxes for multiple MIDI IN’s however, I was only able >>to select one MIDI IN at a time. Perhaps this is a limitation of the beta >>version?

In 1.6.1 you cannot select more than one MIDI IN device. This feature will be realised in 1.7.

>>5. In general, the typeface appeared somewhat small and not as clear >>(lo res?) as other MAC fonts.

Yeah, that´s true.

>>6. However, I love the edit translator interface, especially how it opens >>in one page with all sections viewable at once.

Thank you so much.

Great, keep on translating :D
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A few questions...

Postby orge » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:12 pm

I've been using the mac beta for the last month and I'm really impressed!
With the beta cycle coming to a close though, I have a couple of questions...

Will the Mac version be on sale separate from the pc version or will they be covered by the same license - I presume equivalent to Pro?

I head that the PC version is going to be getting the ability to route to multiple output ports in the near future (already in beta?). Is this also coming to the mac?

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Constant crashes! Any suggestions?

Postby litL1 » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:55 pm

Hi,

as some may have already seen in my recent posts (see bug reports, if you care), in regard to continuing crashes, i was wondering if anybody else is using a G4 iBook or similarly dated version, and could give me some indication advice as to my frustrating experiences?

I'm also wondering if it generally wouldn't be helpful to state the hardware/software used to test the Mac beta version? I, seemingly unlike most others who have posted, have no comparison or experience with the windows version of BMT, and am not knowledgeable enough about PCs to troubleshoot by myself.

I really would like BMT to work for me, as it appears to be doing for others here, as it's obviously an absolute jewel of an app in these multi-AUDIO/MIDI configuration times (for me merely potentially, for now :( ), to keep and augment control over all things interfacing manageable.

Many thanks for any help..

One frustrated, but hopeful customer :roll:

Aaah, and not sure if i misunderstood or it means something, but in an earlier post Ruediger replies to a report, which stated
4. I notice checkboxes for multiple MIDI IN’s however, I was only able >>to select one MIDI IN at a time....

Thing is, though i understand that the functionality is not currently present anyway, i do not even see any check boxes. Or is it, that they'd been taken out prior to my downloaded version??


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Postby ruediger » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:10 am

Hi Orge,

thanks for trying MT for the MAC!

>>Will the Mac version be on sale separate from the pc version or will they >>be covered by the same license - I presume equivalent to Pro?

It will be the same license, if you are not using the license at the same time!

>>I head that the PC version is going to be getting the ability to route to >>multiple output ports in the near future (already in beta?). Is this also >>coming to the mac?

Yes, of course.

Best regards,
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Postby ruediger » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:15 am

Hi Litl1,

we havent´t had any crash reports until now! Are you using PPC? We had no PPC to test Midi Translator. So, it seems that might be a problem.

>>Thing is, though i understand that the functionality is not currently >>present anyway, i do not even see any check boxes. Or is it, that they'd >>been taken out prior to my downloaded version??

Yes, of course no checkboxes. You can select one MIDI In and one MID Out in the Menu Bar. We hope to release the Mutltiport stuff at in November.

Best regards,
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Postby litL1 » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:58 am

Thanks for your much appreciated reply, Ruediger, and very possibly (i say that in all my ignorance of what goes down under the hood of my mac!) a reason for the abnormalities i am experiences, which despite having re-installed last night, continued.

BUT! it could be something else ... i hope i'll find out and a solution.

Hmm, in that case i would ask and address my question to testers of the mac:

Is everyone using intel macs or anyone else use a PPC mac?

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PPC OSX here

Postby 3d » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:01 am

I'm testing the beta i Just downloaded, and it seems to be working well. I'm converting external MIDI input to keystrokes, all is working fine for me thus far.

I would like to extend my thanks to BOME for developing MIDI translator for the OSX platform, especially since you are supporting both PPC and INTEL OSX, thank you VERY much. This beta I have looks like it expires in 3 days. So I'll be making the best of it until I see another beta release, or the actually fully tested product release(with manual ;-).


Thanks again BOME!!!!!
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Postby meeble » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:26 pm

Yes, thank you for porting this app to the Mac. I am just starting to learn this app, going through the tutorials, etc. The 3rd beta expires tomorrow - will you be uploading a new version before then?

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Postby ruediger » Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:23 am

We will release beta 4 this evening.

Regards,
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:-) Beta 4

Postby 3d » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:17 pm

ruediger wrote:We will release beta 4 this evening.

Regards,
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Yay!!!!!
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Postby florian » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:35 am

sorry, give it one more day...
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Postby meeble » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:01 am

why even make the beta time out at all? A simple set-back of the system clock bypasses that anyway. I'll be working in 2007 until you release the new version.

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Postby florian » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:05 pm

Hi meeble,

of course you're right from a user's perspective. But for us, a time limitation is very important:

- beta software is not finished and it can contain functional or embarrassing bugs. Under no circumstances do we want that such versions are used for longer than necessary *)
- the timeout assures that beta testing is really done on the latest beta version. It's cumbersome for beta testers to report a bug that is already fixed...
- the timeout forces US to provide a new version in the given time frame :)

Of course you can change your system date, but for most people that's too annoying so we don't bother to tighten the timeout algorithm.

Thanks,
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*) of course there can always be hidden bugs in release versions, too, but they are much less likely.
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Postby meeble » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:44 pm

i understand your reasoning. I guess you could have unlimited beta's for an internal group of testers?
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Postby A-Bam » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:00 pm

Hi Florian,

I just wanted to check - now that I've started using Bomes in my Live set-up - will there definitely be new beta versions released in time for the timeout? - I'm happy to buy the product the second it's available but don't want to get too reliant on using bomes if I may be without it after the timeout period!

Thanks

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Postby florian » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:47 pm

Hi Adam,

we promise to always do our best to release a new beta version before the old one expires.

Though, we cannot guarantee that. For beta 4, we've had so much to do that we've missed the timeout of beta 3 by a day. And, as you may have followed, beta 4 had a showstopper, which caused another day without MT for some users.

On the other hand, you can always back-date your computer temporarily to make an older beta version work.

BUT, in any case, we do not recommend using the beta version for live sets or any other critical usage. This is mainly a disclaimer for us, but still...

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Postby meeble » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:25 pm

I used the beta thursday night @ a show and no problems whatsoever.

so, far MT has been extremely stable on my Macs.

question: Will the next beta allow multiple MIDI Ins and outs? I currently have to have 2 copies of the app running to work with 2 controllers. It works fine, but they don't share global variables, so...

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Postby florian » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:46 pm

Hi Meeble,

Thanks for the positive report!

The final version 1.6.1 for Mac will not support multiple MIDI ports. We aim to let it have pretty the same set of features as the Windows version 1.6.1.

Then later we'll release version 1.7.0 with multi MIDI port support for both Windows and Mac.

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beta 6 has arrived

Postby feno » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:05 am

Beta 6 has arrived...working flawlessly on my intel mac (and has been since i started using it way back at beta 3)

thankyou florian & Rudi!


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Postby feno » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:33 pm

This is probably just me but when I have "deactivate all other presets except always active" checked in my presets, my "always active" preset becomes INACTIVE when i change presets?
It may be a bug but its more than likely something really simple that I'm overlooking?
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